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		<title>By: Street with a View by Robin Hewlett and Ben Kinsley &#171; Visualingual</title>
		<link>http://visualingual.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/walking-tour-of-downtown-cincinnati-surveillance-cameras/#comment-590</link>
		<dc:creator>Street with a View by Robin Hewlett and Ben Kinsley &#171; Visualingual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dear me! This project brings together elements of surveillance, constructed narrative, a mapping system that results in nonsense&#8230; It&#8217;s magical realism [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elsewhere &#171; Visualingual</title>
		<link>http://visualingual.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/walking-tour-of-downtown-cincinnati-surveillance-cameras/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>Elsewhere &#171; Visualingual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cameras: Bill Brown of the Surveillance Camera Players is giving another tour this Sunday; I wrote here about his tour earlier this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elsewhere &#171; Visualingual</title>
		<link>http://visualingual.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/walking-tour-of-downtown-cincinnati-surveillance-cameras/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Elsewhere &#171; Visualingual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Elsewhere Filed under: elsewhere &#8212; by visualingual @ 7:42 am Tags: cincinnati, los angeles, over-the-rhine, philadelphia, portland  Walking Tour of Downtown Cincinnati Surveillance Cameras: Bill Brown of the Surveillance Camera Players is giving another tour this Sunday; I wrote about the last one here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Elsewhere Filed under: elsewhere &#8212; by visualingual @ 7:42 am Tags: cincinnati, los angeles, over-the-rhine, philadelphia, portland  Walking Tour of Downtown Cincinnati Surveillance Cameras: Bill Brown of the Surveillance Camera Players is giving another tour this Sunday; I wrote about the last one here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Make Cincinnati Weird! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Eyes On Me</title>
		<link>http://visualingual.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/walking-tour-of-downtown-cincinnati-surveillance-cameras/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Make Cincinnati Weird! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Eyes On Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tour was covered by Visualingual and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://visualingual.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/walking-tour-of-downtown-cincinnati-surveillance-cameras/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe: I took no &quot;offense&quot; at Maya&#039;s blog entry. I simply felt there were some elements of the tour that she didn&#039;t highlight and so highlighted them in my own write-up. (Note: I always do such after-the-fact reports.) P.S. Thanks for the &quot;CityBeat&quot; review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe: I took no &#8220;offense&#8221; at Maya&#8217;s blog entry. I simply felt there were some elements of the tour that she didn&#8217;t highlight and so highlighted them in my own write-up. (Note: I always do such after-the-fact reports.) P.S. Thanks for the &#8220;CityBeat&#8221; review.</p>
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		<title>By: Report This!: JoeWessels.Net &#187; Smile. Someone or something is watching.</title>
		<link>http://visualingual.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/walking-tour-of-downtown-cincinnati-surveillance-cameras/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Report This!: JoeWessels.Net &#187; Smile. Someone or something is watching.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] neighbor also wrote a blog entry about the tour, of which Brown apparently took some offense, having written is own summary of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: visualingual</title>
		<link>http://visualingual.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/walking-tour-of-downtown-cincinnati-surveillance-cameras/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>visualingual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I suppose that any effort to enhance transparency, explain accountability, and to humanize the situation would be welcomed by the public, although I don&#039;t believe that more human eyes downtown would actually replace these camera eyes. Interesting line of thought, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I suppose that any effort to enhance transparency, explain accountability, and to humanize the situation would be welcomed by the public, although I don&#8217;t believe that more human eyes downtown would actually replace these camera eyes. Interesting line of thought, though.</p>
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		<title>By: dp</title>
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		<dc:creator>dp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m personally not that concerned about surveillance cameras and privacy issues when in the public realm.  I&#039;m guessing that they&#039;re almost always like the camera at the convenience store - they only get looked at after a crime has been reported.

With that as my starting point, I wonder if there isn&#039;t way to use their presence as a marketing tool for downtown.  See if this makes sense:
Assumption: Downtown would be &quot;a better place&quot; (ambiguous, I know) if more people lived, worked, shopped, and dined there.
Assumption: One of the deterrents to people doing those things is the perceived threat of crime.
Assumption: More &quot;eyes on the street&quot; (Jane Jacobs) would deter crime.
Assumption: Until there are enough &quot;human eyes&quot; (people) on the street to provide security, CPD and others attempt to meet this need through artificial ones (cameras).

This seems to be what is going on.  But I wonder if what is missing is a big marketing campaign to tell the people we want to come downtown that they ARE being watched.  Perhaps a couple news stories about how these cameras have been deployed (and camoflauged) and used to solve/reduce crimes.  I&#039;m sure this would spark some additional public debate about privacy, but that would only increase the level of awareness about them.  

I guess the question is: are people willing to trade a little &quot;privacy&quot; (if there is such a thing in public spaces) for a more vibrant, successful downtown?

Alternatively, would advertising the cameras be admitting defeat to those we&#039;re trying to attract (i.e., &quot;downtown is so scary they need security cameras&quot;)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m personally not that concerned about surveillance cameras and privacy issues when in the public realm.  I&#8217;m guessing that they&#8217;re almost always like the camera at the convenience store &#8211; they only get looked at after a crime has been reported.</p>
<p>With that as my starting point, I wonder if there isn&#8217;t way to use their presence as a marketing tool for downtown.  See if this makes sense:<br />
Assumption: Downtown would be &#8220;a better place&#8221; (ambiguous, I know) if more people lived, worked, shopped, and dined there.<br />
Assumption: One of the deterrents to people doing those things is the perceived threat of crime.<br />
Assumption: More &#8220;eyes on the street&#8221; (Jane Jacobs) would deter crime.<br />
Assumption: Until there are enough &#8220;human eyes&#8221; (people) on the street to provide security, CPD and others attempt to meet this need through artificial ones (cameras).</p>
<p>This seems to be what is going on.  But I wonder if what is missing is a big marketing campaign to tell the people we want to come downtown that they ARE being watched.  Perhaps a couple news stories about how these cameras have been deployed (and camoflauged) and used to solve/reduce crimes.  I&#8217;m sure this would spark some additional public debate about privacy, but that would only increase the level of awareness about them.  </p>
<p>I guess the question is: are people willing to trade a little &#8220;privacy&#8221; (if there is such a thing in public spaces) for a more vibrant, successful downtown?</p>
<p>Alternatively, would advertising the cameras be admitting defeat to those we&#8217;re trying to attract (i.e., &#8220;downtown is so scary they need security cameras&#8221;)?</p>
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		<title>By: Policemen around the World by Richard Erdoes &#171; Visualingual</title>
		<link>http://visualingual.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/walking-tour-of-downtown-cincinnati-surveillance-cameras/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Policemen around the World by Richard Erdoes &#171; Visualingual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] yesterday&#8217;s post about surveillance as a jumping-off point, here are some illustrations by Richard Erdoes from his children&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://visualingual.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/walking-tour-of-downtown-cincinnati-surveillance-cameras/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The updated map is at:

http://www.notbored.org/cincinnati-map.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The updated map is at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.notbored.org/cincinnati-map.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.notbored.org/cincinnati-map.jpg</a></p>
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